My Take on the Transfer of Operations to ATM
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Wed, Oct 28, 2009 @ 4:09 PM
Hey ccMixter’s,
Creative Commons has transferred control of ccMixter.org to ArtisTech Media (ATM). CC retains ownership of the name “ccmixter.org” but will license it to ATM which is currently in the process of taking over day-to-day operations of ccM. The CEO and founder of ATM is Emily Richards - whom many of you know as Snowflake. Other ATM employees you might know: Jason Brock (spinningmerkaba), Kirsten Swartz-Morton and developers Alex Goodwin and Derek Ford. Working together with CC and ATM we have prepared a FAQ that, hopefully, addresses most of your questions about this transfer means to you, ATM’s plans for ccMixter and how it fits into their overall business plan. What I’d like to do here is let you know that I have come to believe this is a Good Thing and why I think so. Here’s what I was looking for in the ideal candidate for new management. - A commitment to keep things the same - A shared understanding of the ccMixter culture and what makes it tick - A deep commitment to sharing, as a fundamental aspect to creativity - Someone that shares my philosophy about the future of music - A serious background in entrepreneurship and business in general - Financial resources to give the site a chance to grow - Brain power resources to handle the technical issues of the site - Personal resources to offload the tasks that I stink at Maybe your list is different, but either way, Emily and ATM are extremely eager to involve all of us in the transition process so speak up. After meeting with Emily and the ATM staff in late August and plenty of interactions since there, here’s what I can report: A commitment to keep things the same I’ve been told by CC folks that there are some heavy provisos in the license agreement that prevent the “wrong” kind of changes to happen on the site after the transfer. But quite frankly, I’m not into pinning the future of the site to just words in a contract. Instead, what moved me is that I’ve been getting ccM love mail from Emily for years - way before she even knew the site was for up for bids. She says she wants to take over the site to make sure it stays the same, not because she has some grand master plan to change it - and I totally believe her. A shared understanding of the ccMixter culture and what makes it tick There’s really not a lot to say here. She “get’s it” - she’s one of us. A deep commitment to sharing, as a fundamental aspect to creativity Some of you may be old enough to remember the impact that mp3.com had on the Web. It was a really big deal - the place where any serious, forward thinking musician would post their music. Emily was early in adopting the sharing philosophy and she became the most downloaded artist on mp3.com: 3 million downloads. This launched her as a truly independent artist and the idea that “giving your music away is good for your career” was embedded deep into her bones. To her, ccMixter is just a natural extension of that. Someone that shares my philosophy about the future of music I’ve met several candidates who were interested in taking over ccM and asked them all the same question: “How do you think musicians will make money on the Web in the future?” The ones that actually *had* an answers were the ones I wanted nothing to do with. I follow the Clay Shirkey philosophy that nobody knows the future and anybody pretending to is just wrong. In other words, this was a trick question. Only Emily (and one other candidate) answered correctly: “I don’t know.” I have somewhat radical views on this issue and I am *not* speaking for ATM here but I happen to think that any business that bases it’s future on charging for copies of music (including “albums”, “song download” and even “subscriptions”) is doomed. An entrepreneur that dives into this space has to be extremely flexible, willing to try things and willing to fail. Emily seems to understand this in a fundamental way and has exactly the right approach to it: let’s put it out there and see what works and what doesn’t work. A serious background in entrepreneurship and business in general Before becoming an independent musician through mp3.com. Emily was a CPA at Price Waterhouse Cooper - an account executive that took companies public. In other words: deep in the real world of finance. After her success at mp3.com as an artist, she became the CFO, then CEO of it’s spin-off mp3tunes.com. Watching her operate for the last month showed me that, as far as I can tell, she’s no lightweight - she’s the real thing. Financial resources to give the site a chance to grow This is an issue right now with ATM. They don’t have a lot of reserves but they are trying to raise money and I know that nothing is more important to Emily. As I said in my previous points, she’s not a neophyte and the fact that she has exactly the right philosophy about music and ccM means I trust her. (For example, she has already turned down large investment offers because the investors just didn’t get what she’s trying to do.) Brain power resources to handle the technical issues of the site I’ve met ATM’s developers Alex Goodwin and Derek Ford a couple of times now and we have already started the process of moving the web servers from CC to ATM. Every time I encounter them I always end up with this goofy smile on my face. They are so sharp, so resourceful, so righteous that I couldn’t imagine a better code slinging crew. Personal resources to offload the tasks that I stink at Emily has made the entire ATM organization available to me and between Jason, Alex, Derek, Kristen, et. al. I’ve been extremely encouraged that the tasks that have fallen on me through serendipity (as opposed to stuff like talent and experience) are going to be in much, much better hands. —- Finally, on a personal note, I just want to add that Emily has an abundance of what my generation called “soul.” To be totally honest, I was blown away by her on this level. Because of this, I really WANT to believe in her and her experience, knowledge, vision, enthusiasm, energy and understanding of what and who we are, makes that very easy. |
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Wed, Oct 28, 2009 @ 4:39 PM
Yes. Very good. I am thrilled by the news, and I think your note was very appropriate. Thanks for this.
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Wed, Oct 28, 2009 @ 4:43 PM
Dear Fellow Mixters,
All of us at ArtisTech Media are humbled and excited about the tremendous opportunity and responsibility we have with ccMixter now officially in our care. We are honored to continue the revolutionary work started by Dr. Lessig, Neeru Paharia, everyone at Creative Commons, Victor, and all of you. I love ccMixter - exactly as it is. In all my years in music and tech, I’ve found ccMixter’s community to be the most positive, cohesive, and collaborative I’ve been a part of. The music collectively created at ccMixter is uniquely powerful, because of this amazing community of talented, visionary artists. Our goal at ArtisTech is to continue to help foster this talent and community as it grows. And for those seeking even more opportunity for their art, well, our aim is to help you find ways to share your music with the world, without disturbing the balance of this beautiful musical jewel we all love (ccMixter.org). As the old saying goes ‘if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it’ so we see no need to change things. We may add capacity to allow for larger file uploads and perhaps other improvements of a similar nature, but ccMixter belongs to all of us and it works so magically right now, as it is. I first uploaded tracks to ccMixter in October 2006, based on the recommendation of ArtisTech co-founder, Jason Brock (spinningmerkaba). When I listened to my first group of remixes (by norelpref, Hundred Schools of Thought, Briareus and PorchCat) I knew I’d been lucky enough to stumble upon something extraordinary. More than three years later, I am more amazed by ccMixter than ever before. I’ve had bad experiences with change in the past, when I was part of something truly great that moved into unknowing hands, and I could only watch as everything I loved slowly eroded. I will do all in my power to make sure that never happens to ccMixter. ArtisTech Media and its partners embody principles of fairness, transparency, innovation and artistry. We are a young company founded in January of 2009 but our founding team has a depth of experience in music, technology, science and business. Open source software and music are cornerstones of our company. We have big goals, and one is to help create a better music ‘business’ - one that provides real opportunities for artists, in fair, open partnerships. Creative Commons has set a new standard for the world in this way, and ArtisTech is building upon that precedent. This next evolution of music will be built by all of us, together. My door is open to all of you. If you have any questions, concerns, recommendations, ideas..please send them my way. I believe in open, transparent discussions so feel free to respond to this forum post. During this next month or so, we will be transitioning the site to a new server (in the same data center) and finding the best ways we can help support Victor with the many tasks he’s been managing, with the help of many of you, these past five years. We value Victor more than I can express and have invited him to be the Chief Creative Officer of ArtisTech. We will keep everyone informed as things move along. Thank you for giving us this opportunity. Here’s to ccMixter - my favorite site on the web! Cheers, ~Emily (Snowflake) ArtisTech co-founders are: Emily Richards (Snowflake) CEO Alex Goodwin (go1dfish) Chief Software Architect Jason Brock (spinningmerkaba) Director Artist & Business Development Derek Ford, VP Engineering Kirsten Swartz-Morton, Director Resources & Entertainment Dale Richards, Board Director, Optimization Consultant |
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I am highly flattered to be named by you and Jason. You guys are amazing artists. (On that note, I promised a couple of times long ago to abuse more of your work, but alas, I am slackful. I will endeavor to correct that oversight.)
I am comforted that ccMixter is in such good hands. I look forward to the future! *meow* |
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For what it’s worth, this initiative/ decision has my vote. If I’ve to cite only one reason for my support, its ‘cos Snowflake is first and foremost an active participant in this community. And remains so. That she heads ArtisTech is the icing on the cake for me. Thanks to Victor, all the ccMixter and CC crew involved in this transition.
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Wed, Oct 28, 2009 @ 9:15 PM
Thanks Victor, Emily, and the whole ATM crew!
For CC, we’re really excited about this transition. As many of you know (and patiently have asked for updates on), for over a year CC has been looking for just the right entity to take ccMixter to the next level, but only with maximum respect for the community and adherence to the forms of openness that have enabled the site and community so far. It would be hard to add anything of substance to what Victor and Emily have written above, and the FAQ — read all three closely — but I hope after reading these you’ll understand that the year+ search was very worthwhile and that you’re excited to participate in ccMixter’s next step. |
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 @ 12:06 AM
is ATM a non-profit? can’t find that info on their website.
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ATM is a for profit company, out raising capital now. Covered in the FAQ.
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Quote: fourstonesATM is a for profit company, out raising capital now. Covered in the FAQ.
I totally don’t get it, there’s a lot of material licensed under NC. how can this be transfered to a for profit company? damn, this feels bad! |
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woa - no user content is transferred anywhere with respect to ownership - the musicians all own their own content.
The server that ccMixter runs on will move to one owned by ATM but the site will continue to be “.org” - all free all the time. I think you should read the FAQ, esp. the part where it says ATM will NOT make any money from ccM - and if you have, we need to clarify even more. |
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Quote: fourstonesI think you should read the FAQ, esp. the part where it says ATM will NOT make any money from ccM - and if you have, we need to clarify even more.
My work is all about change management, and all I can say is that the following statements are both true: 1) the FAQ is clear 2) some people will always require you to clarify more |
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Quote: My work is all about change management
Where have you been the last month of my life?? |
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Quote: fourstoneswoa - no user content is transferred anywhere with respect to ownership - the musicians all own their own content.
The server that ccMixter runs on will move to one owned by ATM but the site will continue to be “.org” - all free all the time. I think you should read the FAQ, esp. the part where it says ATM will NOT make any money from ccM - and if you have, we need to clarify even more. FWIW, I’m sympathetic to Marco’s concern, but … what Victor says. Additionally, when ccMixter is actually transferred to an ATM server, there will be an opt-in. One can either agree to allow ATM to host their contributions, or not (and all will be removed), so NC isn’t really a problem at all. I hope that everyone will agree to stay with ccMixter, as what ATM has planned is entirely in the spirit of ccMixter. I’d also be fine if the site nudges people toward non-NC licensing :) but that’s entirely separate. Mike |
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thanks Mike, that opt-in is nice
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There have been a lot of good posts on this already, but they’ve all been quite long and descriptive. I think the NC matter can be summed up with:
We (ArtisTech) have no special privileges to the files/copyrights hosted on ccMixter outside of their designated CC licenses. Like Snowflake says, we’re just a steward. ArtisTech can’t make money off of anything NC licensed without the Artists’ permission. We couldn’t even use my crappy NC tracks for commercial purposes without the signing of a separate agreement between ArtisTech and myself. The NC licenses, in my mind seem to typically express an attitude of: It’s cool to do what you want with my stuff, so long as it stays free. The Creative Commons has done a great job of addressing this intent with their licensing and educational work around the NC/share-alike licenses. ArtisTech doesn’t wan’t to weaken the statements represented by those licenses at all What we want to help facilitate the expression of this sort of intent: It’s cool to do what you want with my stuff, so long as it stays free; but if you make money with it, you have to share it with me |
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run by musicians sound good, but tranfering material which is licensed under NC doesn’t feel good to me.
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ccMixter will absolutely remain a non-commercial site.
as a member of ccMixter for over 3 years myself (and a rebel against the music business in general) i understand your concerns. ATM is simply the steward of ccMixter. nothing is more important to me than maintaining ccMixter like it is, and upholding and abiding by its founding principles. we’re a small start-up…and have long histories of donating our music and software to the commons. we’re here to serve ccMixter and the community. any commercial opportunities for artists will be optional and separate from ccMixter. |
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I know, that while I was typing this, other responses from the right people have already come in. But allow me to speak up anyway:
I’m not associated with this transfer of operations in any way, but as a ccMixter music maker, I am concerned, when one of my fellow music makers is worried. So allow me to share my own opinion on this as a regular ccMixter noise maker, who also cares a lot about the site, the materials on this site and the people who create those materials. I have also blogged in the past about other remixing sites, where the site owners took (in my opinion) too many copyright liberties with materials that I might upload. I came to ccMixter in big part because the copyright and licensing issues were artist friendly and there was never any attempt to sneak away copyright from the music makers. I’m not sure how familiar you are with copyright law, but while I’m not a lawyer myself, I know that ownership of the material here remains with the artists as it always was. The former operator (and still current owner of the ccMixter name) Creative Commons never owned any of the audio material here, and so there just is no ownership transfer of the audio material. There are many sites operated by commercial entities, which host CC licensed materials. For example, Flickr.com (owned by publicly traded for profit company Yahoo) is one of the famously big one’s hosting tons of CC licensed images. Also, the FAQ clearly states: Quote: Does ATM plan to make money from ccMixter? If so, how? The answer to the first question is “no” which makes the second question moot. However, the FAQ also states, that if anyone still has any misgivings about continuing to have their material hosted on ccMixter, they can remove it at any time. Have a look at the section in the FAQ under the headline: “What if I don’t want anything to do with ATM?” It explains more there. While ATM has been too gracious to put it that way, in the short term what they are inheriting is only a cost to them. In money and in time. They are NOT inheriting the copyright or ownership of a portfolio of music. Any money making with any ccMixter materials would end up having to become separate contracts between the owners of the materials in question and ATM (just like it would be for anyone else). I can’t answer why ATM is doing this, because I honestly don’t have any inside knowledge. However I have my own idea why I might want to do something like this: ccMixter is a little like a big house full of music makers, who get to live there for free. So if the old owner who paid all the bills for that house wanted to get out of that, a new owner would have to be found. Maybe the new owner really just wants to make sure that the house doesn’t get closed. And maybe they want to make the house even more attractive to even more great music makers. And maybe they want to move into a house next door, where it would become easy to talk to the music makers. And where they could easily meet, talk to and make deals with the music makers to sell some of the music, or t-shirts. Or maybe a cologne named “Loveshadow”. :-) So to be quite honest, I do not share your concerns from a copyright, licensing and CC-NC perspective, and I hope that once you’ll get a chance to review the FAQ in more detail, that you’ll become less concerned than you are right now. Respectfully, /spin |
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thanks.
I will the collective idea of ccMixter. have always liked that. but that network is no owned by a company. man, I hope archive.org stays non-profit as well as wikipedia. if not, this whole sharing open idea is dead soon. |
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Of course, you’re allowed to be pessimistic - I was too.
We have hung out and I’d like to think I can call you a friend. If you said you wanted to pay the expenses of running ccMixter, I would say OK, because I trust you. Even if you happen to run a business - because it’s you and I know you have the right sensibility and would never do anything to intentionally screw up ccMixter. I’ve come to know Emily and, through this process, have become friends (I hope) with her - and I feel the same way about her. In fact, I see Emily and you and me (and teru and spin and colab and sackjo and everybody here) as the same thing. We got ccM to this point, we are taking it into the future. Add to that: ATM doesn’t own the name ‘ccmixter’, or content or code that runs the site and it’s hardly the death knell to sharing as we know it today. That’s all I got. |
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yes, I am. making commercial deals with a site like this which is build by musicians feels very bad to me. same old story.
I hope wikipedia stays non-profit forever and archive.org too. it was fun. but this is not. |
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ccmixter is still a not-for-profit site. atm is operating it and paying for it, but we can’t make money from it (defining aspect of a nonprofit = no profit).
nonprofits usually receive funding from like-minded for-profit orgs that support their cause. wikipedia, mozilla, CC, EFF, etc. all fall in this category. atm is for-profit, now bearing the costs of running ccMixter, but ccMixter itself is a non-profit site that is free of ads and free to its artists and listeners. i understand trust is earned, not given. we’ll work to earn yours. peace… |
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Well, since we’ve proven to you NC is not an issue in the transfer of operations and because I believe that you now understand the true terms of the agreement - I wish you state, right here, what is it you are actually thinking - I wish you be completely truthful about what your reservations really are.
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if peeps don’t get it then pull your stuff and see how it plays out. as for the money thing non profit = tax write off. that’s what they get by doing this. and thanks to ATM for helping to keep this going. I personally am going to ride this wave and if it breaks hop on the next one. see you there.
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 @ 7:12 AM
I’m hopeful, but I’ll reserve judgment until we’ve had time to see how things develop.
To all the newcomers…welcome. :) |
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Quote: shockshadowI’m hopeful, but I’ll reserve judgment…
yup, that’s perfect. |
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 @ 12:08 PM
Quote: fourstonesCreative Commons has transferred control of ccMixter.org to ArtisTech Media (ATM).…this is a Good Thing…
How appropo that this announcement should arrive on ccMixter.org’s fifth birthday — a milestone birthday marked by a milestone event. Based on Victor’s statement/endorsement, the faq and the announcement, this seems like a most splended opprotunity for ccM to both stay the same and to evolve. It’s like having a child with a wonderful temperament, who essentially remains the same person as she goes through life’s ineveitable transitions and opportunities. The clear commitment of Emily and ATM to maintain the creative, open, sharing environment that characterizes CCM, in tandem with the opportunities for artists suggested by ATM’s vision as being an additional resource for artists, is quite exciting indeed! Victor, if my vote counts, I’d have you stay as long as you would be had! Congratulations, Emily and ATM. And happy birthday ccMixter. Here’s to many more years! |
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Quote: SackJo22 Based on Victor’s statement/endorsement…That’s all I need as my stamp of approval as naive as that may be. That and the FAQ.
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Quote: Pat Chilla The Beat Gorilla Based on Victor’s statement/endorsement…That’s all I need as my stamp of approval as naive as that may be. That and the FAQ.
just faqs ma’am and nothin’ but the faqs ;p |
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 @ 12:53 PM
I’m with Spin and SackJo on this - optimistic on the basis of what has been described. Nothing can ever be guaranteed in this life, but it feels right to have someone taking this on who obviously “gets” what the site is all about - really important that Emily/Snowflake is a creative participant (and great that she also seems to know a thing or two about the real world!)
Long may Victor be around to keep a sharp eye on the way things go, and I look forward to a new era in the life of a site that is already breaking new ground - and which could just help shape the history of how music is made and shared. |
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Quote: oldDogI look forward to a new era in the life of a site that is already breaking new ground - and which could just help shape the history of how music is made and shared.
yes, we believe ccM is truly changing (and improving) the future of music! |
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 @ 3:50 PM
This is good news as I see it—-don’t know Snowflake that well or her partners/friends but they seem like good folks. I think the best sign is that Fourstones seems ok with it and if anyone is going to look out for the well being of ccM and its community then its going to be him. I’m excited to see what the future holds and congrats to everyone involved. For what its worth no worries from me.
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 @ 8:40 PM
I think that this transfer to a mixter who “gets it” makes the transition that much easier for all of us.
Common sense dictates a little “wait and see” about any change, but when I look at the site, I still see a place to upload files. When I click on “samples” and “a capellas”, I still find them there. When I click on “remixes”, I can still browse them. This looks like ccmixter is still the ccmixter I know. So I wish Emily and her team all the best, and I express once more my gratitude to Victor Stone for his efforts in making this site great. |
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 @ 10:25 PM
I will of course reserve final judgement after some time has passed, but from what I can see, I can’t really think of a more balanced and positive outcome for the RFP.
I only have two concerns, which are in sense related: Regardless of the experience and passion underlying the company, ATM is not even a year old- and bad things can happen to good people (or companies), as much as I desperately don’t want them to. The other side of that coin is of course the fact that financial resources are stated to be an issue right now with ATM, and in today’s economy, folks are tending to be a lot more tight-fisted in general. Again, I’m not trying to disparage or cast doubt upon ATM’s intentions or abilities in the least, but since neither George Soros or Warren Buffet have offered to help me out any time I need a big favor, there’s not much I personally could do if the Forces Of Evil trained the Bad Luck Beam on our happy band’s efforts to thrive and prosper. OK- now that I’ve got that offf my chest, it’s cake n’ ice cream time, WOO-HOO! |
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Fri, Oct 30, 2009 @ 1:37 PM
I see ccmixter standing on the edge of a huge opportunity to show the world what a collaborative music community is capable of. This is no small matter in my mind. The music we make here is at the core of a cultural shift we are all taking part in.
Thank you Victor, Pat Chilla, cdk, MC Jack in the Box, teru, Porchcat, Gudonark, trifonic, and so many more remixers that personally contributed to my understanding of what remix is all about. I’m still learning, and am encouraged by the ability of this community to explore the great wide open together. Thank you Creative Commons for making ccmixter a reality, and having the trust in ATM to facilitate its growth. I am looking forward to taking this next step into the future of music with all of you. Viva ccmixter! Lets make some of the best collaborative music ever! |
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Fri, Oct 30, 2009 @ 3:03 PM
I think Jason hit the nail on the head when he said
“I see ccmixter standing on the edge of a huge opportunity to show the world what a collaborative music community is capable of.” We are all part of a Renaissance on how music is not only made but distributed. 16th century artists needed a ” benefactor” whether they liked it or not so their art could flourish rather than wondering where their next meal was coming from. Any artform and money is linked whether you like it or not. Exciting times and I’d also like to echo the praise for Victors efforts and wish the ATM crew all the best x |
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I’m with the sentiment of this fork of the thread. I have found ccM inspiring and cosy, it has brought me back to a world I wanted to enjoy in my youth, but that was closed to me then.
The NC licence has always been a little unclear to me and I stick with BY unless granted specific use permission. I do hope that the legals around ATM will prevent any SCO type IP hijacking by company buyouts in the future, but wish the new ops team every success. |
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Quote: MikeTheBeeI do hope that the legals around ATM will prevent any SCO type IP hijacking by company buyouts in the future, but wish the new ops team every success.
IANAL, but one of the benefits of our agreement the Creative Commons, is that they can regain control of ccMixter in the event of a buyout/takeover/bankruptcy of ArtisTech. Both parties were quite adamant about this sort of failsafe to protect ccMixter against the Bad Luck Beam from the Forces of Evil. Also, all the files on ccMixter, still retain their original copyright ownership with usage rights protected/granted according to their CC licenses. So just like MikeTheBee or anyone else, we will also have to ask for use permissions on NC files used outside of ccMixter for commercial purposes. The Creative Commons has put a lot of work lately into figuring out the current perception of noncommercial use. Hopefully no-one will attempt to make such absurd claims about CC licenses, as SCO tried to with GPL software licenses. Luckily for everyone the Elephant in the Room (Software Patents) from the SCO ordeal is irrelevant to content licenses. Again though IANAL, just a geek. |
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 @ 9:20 AM
In any and all cases, I’d like to thank Victor for helping to make the last five years possible (of which I’ve been around off and on for about two). CC, whether I am here regularly or not, always has something new and exciting to offer musically and I am constantly refreshed that I don’t just come here to hear house remixes (no offense to house either) but that I get the most eclectic blend of personalities (musically and otherwise) as an influence. This is truly one of the most globally inclusive sites from that standpoint that I interact within and I feel very confident with Victor’s assurances that cc will remain just this vibrant. The other changes mentioned, bigger bandwidth and storage, are things mixters have wanted and it is good to see it happening. Happy Birthday cc! And thanks again to Kaer for unknowingly introducing me to this great community. (*&%(*, now I only have four days to finish the secret mixter, got to get going.
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 @ 3:07 PM
Awesome. I’m glad this is happening. Thanks for everyone looking out for our interests, and good job on pulling it off without compromising the most important aspects of the culture (or anything? I should read more) Vic: stay.
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Sun, Nov 1, 2009 @ 2:46 AM
Great news. Really good job on putting this transition together, Victor and Emily! Even though none of us can tell what’s going to happen in the future I’ll happily drink to uncertainty.
P.S. Like that trick question Victor. Awesome. |
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Sun, Nov 1, 2009 @ 8:21 AM
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(For example, she has already turned down large investment offers because the investors just didn’t get what she’s trying to do.) if you haven’t turned down ‘big opportunities’ for fear of compromising what you believe in…ask yourself if you really believe in it… the INTEGRITY of ccMIxter.org is what’s important!…sounds like its still intact!…word. :) |
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Mon, Nov 2, 2009 @ 9:13 AM
I’m chiming in a bit late here… just have a few comments/questions…
1) As much time and effort as Victor has put into this community, I’m certain he wouldn’t want to this to move forward if it wasn’t a good idea, in the hands of people who want to see the community keep the spirit which has driven it’s success. 2) As a producer who is interested in licensing possibilities for stuff that I create with other artists (providing those who collaborate are interested as well of course :), I’m curious to see the direction that this takes. I enjoy remixing and working with all of the content on this site… finding avenues for content to be licensed, establishing licensing agreements/royalty rates, is an area where I don’t even know where to begin… hell I don’t even know if what we’ve got has that potential, but I think it does, and while I’m not sure how that will take shape through ATM… the fact that they are willing to attempt to facilitate something like that is extraordinary. 3) When I watch documentaries about how music genre’s began and grew… I can’t help but think that is what we are witnessing here and now, and how the podcasters, bloggers, and youtubers are all part of this emergence of remix culture into an established and respected art form. Perhaps I’m overstating the importance of what we do… but for me that muse that is generated when I listen to others here and that I hope is generated in others when they listen to site contributions, reminds me that we are all playing a small part in our own cultural history. This is the kind of thing anthropologists study and ponder with a certain fondness, that I’m not sure can be described in words. Where ever we go… that’s where we are. |
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 @ 2:39 PM
Is it just me or am I the only one that didn’t know Snowflake is Emily Richards? Next thing you know someone is going to tell me Shockshadow isn’t the guy rapping in my OCT ‘09 Secret remix.
But seriously, it seems Emily and crew have given more than taken so I’ll be enjoying the ride and looking forward where this goes. Just please don’t put ads and crap everywhere, (not saying anyone will, just saying). |
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Quote: Ivan ChewIs it just me or am I the only one that didn’t know Snowflake is Emily Richards?No you’re not . I’m standing in line behind you in that respect. :)
*THE* Emily Richards? As in the “You Give” CD? I think I still have that CD somewhere in the house. I bought it about 10 years ago… If not, I’ll just have to buy the MP3 set again… |
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Mon, Nov 9, 2009 @ 5:13 PM
I think this is very much a positive thing. When I first heard that the good CC folks were looking to spin off CCMixter, I was nervous. There’s a lot of ways to do music badly on the web, and a look around shows you that most music enterprises have in fact done it badly.
Provided that the heart of the site remains faithful to the simple idea that people should be able to endlessly remix without worrying about some giant music company suing you, I really hope ATM takes advantage of its commercial opportunities here. Mostly, I’m hoping you get a bang for your buck so you keep the doors open, but then, maybe there’s some side benefits that will accrue to some of the producers, musicians, and vocalists around here too. :) |
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Tue, Nov 10, 2009 @ 5:04 AM
Quote: fourstones
Financial resources to give the site a chance to grow i think this sounds good. i love ccmixter and want to see it continue and being able to enjoy the privilege of associating with so many talented people. i hope things only get better =) |
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Just to be clear, nickleus, financial resources are the one thing currently lacking in the equation. It has me concerned, but not worried (if you know what I mean) because a) I’ve worried enough about money in one lifetime and I refuse to do so no matter what the situation is and b) I believe Emily/ATM can raise the money needed - nothing scientific here, just a belief based on a hope based on a wish.
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Quote: fourstonesJust to be clear, nickleus, financial resources are the one thing currently lacking in the equation.
then i suggest we get a donate button up on the front page, PRONTO! =) the button there today is for cc, which is good and maybe should continue to be there, but if it confuses people as to whom to donate to, then i propose we switch it with a “Support ccmixter” button. |
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I really like where this is going!
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Tue, Nov 10, 2009 @ 8:46 AM
Thanks Victor for informing us clearly. Some days ago I logged in and I saw all those statements and policies and I was a little scared, I remember it was late at night and yet I wanted to read it all before putting my email there and go on. It’s reassuring that you write this and that Emily and the others are behind this company. To me it is enough. Good luck!
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Tue, Nov 10, 2009 @ 2:01 PM
Hey everyone! :)
This all sounds (or rather looks) good to me, after going awol for almost as long as it took to make this decision it feels like I’ve missed everything and nothing…all at the same time lol…talk about dazed and confused! :) Good luck to both ATM and Victor with the CCMixter project, I look forward to new features and developments. |
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We have tacet approval! (sic)
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